I have tried Field of Ruin in a Crab list when it first came out, but I dont think I'd play it over anything youd have to cut from the conflict side for it in this list. My playstyle is more controlly than a rush through the dynasty deck, in that sen [continue reading]se I dont commit to a single victory condition beforehand. I pressure the honor, and if thats leads to me getting a better board position i might as well win on breaks. The dynasty mill is more of an "extra threat" if you manage to keep your opponent at 5 or fewer honor.
2 of the 3 wins were on dynasty mill, so can't complain. Of course the Lighthouse and Seasons do their part as well, but it's nice to be able to snipe off holdings and such. The unlimited part is really good with phoenix readies.
@Karlinho I did consider her - she is a solid card for sure - but the stats just do not work for me when I am trying to (for the most part) have consistent political wins/pressure - where it feels she can be played around too much - whoever I take ou [continue reading]t for her in that curve just seems better in more situations of the game (Oguri, Student or Gallant).
Yes, I totally agree with Phoenix being the other obvious splash for this deck. Have you had much luck with using it?
The combo you describe sounds cool, I just fear that it requires getting the right cards at the right [continue reading]time a little too much and therefore may be susceptible to disruption. Certainly sounds nice though!
The one card I didn't play at all during the tournament (even though I saw it) was Command Respect so that is potentially on the chopping board. I'm also unsure as to the need for the Contingency Plans. They're nice, but when you're drawing few cards, they're often not useful!
Thank you for your deck. What about "Purifier Apprentice"? In my games she was able to suck +- 5 honor. It was more defensive-focused deck with Shiro Nishiyama.
Ive found more success splashing pheonix for air ring seeker chick and CoP plus other options. this looks cool but. winter courts host is great but so expensive. you could buy her for free with benevolent hosts in from Suma and then use the other ear [continue reading]th crane province to keep her around?
Yeah, usually Ordu. Flip it with Border Fortress as needed. The row consists of the seeker provinces for the fate gain and either taxing opponent's resources (Pilgrimage) or gaining you extra resources (Temple). Border Fortress flips more provinces t [continue reading]o turn on Scouted, and Upholding can strip cancels or other key cards.
My only issue with the Inn is it say they May give you an honor, not they have to give you an honor so your opponent can just as easily say no and watch you waste an action for what is potentially a dead card
@Boothberry90 You have convinced me on the I Hida's! Performed really well this weekend too so you were exactly right to suggest not switching them.
@Daidoji Hikori Thanks for this - Shuichi, Oguri (Covert) does seem like a perfect fit h [continue reading]ere - For shame is great too to slip in... I need to think about what would make sense to cut though if I wanted to try that direction. Perhaps Vanguard Warrior needs to go for Uguri.
@Hiruma Koshisho Honestly had not even considered that card... hmmm interesting...
What about Roadside Inn to replace the Iron Mines? It requires to keep at least 1 fate to put on your dudes, but if your enemy is foolish enough to use it, it will be more close to his/her downfall.
The Iron Crane is right having Oguri or Shuichi are not bad cards to have. I personally love Oguri cus he adds Courtier and covert plus he gets a good pump anytime your opponent plays events
a couple of thoughts:
to make political easier to win you could go for covert(which also causes unoppposed loss so better yet) Shuichi could be good as well as oguri (or skirmisher)
If you do put oguri in or increase the courtier count f [continue reading]or shame could be an option as well. It can also become forced dishonor against bowed characters.
The same way as returning from shadows could be a way to create a sfe province in which to farm cards.
In place of levy you could play in defense of rokugan. Quite good against towers and lion.
finaly I would probably add another fire and oil
That's a cool deck build. I can dig the iron Mine over Kuni Lab though process, and I like the new Tetsubo for hand pressure too. If I could make a suggestion. I know you are iffy on Intimidating Hida but they are killers in matches against Crab and [continue reading]Scorpion so having a pair of is still good, plus they are pretty cost effective for their strength too so worst case scenario you get a beefy 4 Mil at 3 cost. Basically I'm saying don't drop the Hidas. They can do you good in more difficult matches or keep your opponent from just trying to wait you out
I am sure it is something that could maybe be improved - however it is possible to win - though it needs investment I'll map out some examples I have experienced,
Court Games + Fire and [continue reading]Oil + shameful display + miyako -- dishonoured status can really swing stats in match ups - plus Ornate Fan x3, WwW and E-Tessen all boost political - I tend to stack up 1 or 2 units, then focus on keeping them around with vanguard warriors, iron mines, reprieves etc.
I also tend to be very aggressive with Way of the Crab if it means it means I can push more pressure on POL wins with Way With Words out if I need too - The MIL in the this is strong enough on its own to not suck up cards/resources so you can lean a bit more bias into POL.
It's no secret that POL is expensive in Crab as is - so I didn't want a lot of expensive base POL burdening the deck when the battles can be won another way. The deck doesn't NEED Way with Words to trigger all the time to win - just the threat enough usually lends to players over extended on POL which leaves them open to some MIL blow outs - Nothing worse than being 2 provinces down against a crabby crab!
I'll hopefully get a few more games in over the weekend and I'll feedback if POL struggles (as you point out) - we can maybe brainstorm some nice tweaks to fill up some gaps! @SimpleShane
I never played it in a competition, so I can't say much when it comes to that. It's a fun deck to play, and got me more wins than losses (maybe 2:1) playing random people on Jigoku. The tricky part is you gotta be sharp on your guessing game, cause t [continue reading]here's close to zero ways to peak at people's hands. It can be done quite well with some practice, but it takes that practice.
How do you win a political conflict that would allow Way with Words to even fire? I love that combo with Watch Commander, but your list is extremely light on Political prowess. Literally the highest Political stat is 2, and you don't even take Kuni [continue reading] Laboratory. I LOVE the idea of this deck, but this is my one major concern. Let me know your thoughts. I'm trying to make something similar, and maybe we can both help each other.
I have the same feeling about Wholeness. It is good only when eversthing goes well with your game plan. On the other hand it could help with air ring in honor match ups. Kepper role would be better i guess, but haven’t try it yet.
So I recently got a chance to use this deck at a local event and placed second overall. I played against a Phoenix, Crane and Crab in that order and this is a rough rundown of how each match went.
Phoenix (Win): This was my first match o [continue reading]f the day against a high glory phoenix deck and to be honest it was a bit of a blur. I first turned a Butcher with one fate along with a Shrewd Yasuki out of Shinsei's and Funeral Pyre so I low balled my hand bid out the gate and smashed an easy win air ring as I was first player. Most of the match was then spent with me smashing provinces and stalling out as I slowly drained honor away. A late game Butcher, two backhanded compliments, watch commander and the air ring pretty much won me the match on turn five. Never got my Hiruma Outpost Recalled Defenses combo off but I did get an outpost to drop on top of Shameful which was great for me. All in all it was a good match for me bad for the Phoenix
Crane(Loss): This is my titular match up against a good friend of mine and his kill Crane. I knew how to play against his deck for the most part and knew I could get his honor down which I did. First two turns were a lot of tit-for-tat but I did again first turn a butcher that broke Tsuma on uncontested air ring. He had a lot of big honor guys and by turn three broke my two eminent provinces. I got him down to four honor though and things were getting intense. Final turn he had one honor but was threatening my stronghold with Kuwanan and two Brash Samurai. I survived the first attack on my box but couldn't pull any backhandeds so was unable to finish him off and he finally broke through with Kuwanan after throwing my last defender (a butcher) off a bridge. Close but no cigar for me.
Crab(Win): This match was weird cus my opponent was using the all holdings This Is Stupid deck. Once I figured out what was going on I hard mulliganed every round for Intimidating Hida which I got second turn. After that I just poked an easy province for the air ring a lot and bled this poor Crab dry of honor. It was a match that took longer than it needed too but it was mine to lose. This was the easiest win of the day for me.
Standouts in this deck that day were Butcher of the Fallen, Shrewd Yasuki, Common Cause, Fight On and still oddly enough Hiruma Outpost. They showed up in all my matches and did good work for me. I like the economy advantage I get with Shinsei's Last Hope despite the cards being dishonored out the gate. Also I love how even against a Crane I was still able to aggressively drain honor away. The deck isn't bullet proof but it does what it wants to well which makes me happy.
I like the deck. Have you considered Recalled Defenses as opposed to Lost Papers so you can throw Hiruma Outpost onto your stronghold and keep your province row clear of holdings
Thanks for trying it out. Didn't had much time since I created it so I had only a few games with it yet. So changes are most likely to be done at some point. I mainly used Support because I also wanted to try out EtV as restricted. [continue reading] Without it one can cleary go to a regular Keeper role.
How did Wholeness work for you? I'm still a bit unsure about it. It's obviously aimed to keep the fire ring but how often did you manage to pull it off?
This is a very strong deck, it pressures dishonor by spamming earth and air rings while suffocating towers between lost papers/higes sermon and way of the crab + assasination. Broker eventually hits the field, providing insane card and fate advantage [continue reading] that you translate into more card advantage and board state through the use of favorable alliance
Thank you for this deck idea. I was testing this one, yesterday. I had so much fun and it is also pretty strong.
I did few changes. -1 Cycle of Rebirth, -1 Season of war, -1 Master Alchemist, +3 Raitsugu. I am affraid of scropion matchu [continue reading]p and attachment control decks (let go/mystics). I would like to try Keeper role with Defend your honor (-3 Embrance the Void)
Yeah, I updated to remove the Stay Your Hand and added another Chasing as well as some Fine Katana. Not sure about For Shame, will have to see how this plays out.
How has prodigy of the waves been performing? Thoughts on Fearsome Mystic in that slot? Thoughts on a tattooed wanderer to augment the prodigy of the waves?
How do you find supernatur [continue reading]al storm in this list? I imagine it goes to +3 frequently.
Swapped Kudaka for KoSN and dropped my MoSW for 3 Shika Matchmakers so I had some more cheap and easy Shugenja to have around for the Supernatural Storm pump
-Boothberry90
Yes, I totally agree with Phoenix being the other obvious splash for this deck. Have you had much luck with using it?
The combo you describe sounds cool, I just fear that it requires getting the right cards at the right [continue reading]time a little too much and therefore may be susceptible to disruption. Certainly sounds nice though!
The one card I didn't play at all during the tournament (even though I saw it) was Command Respect so that is potentially on the chopping board. I'm also unsure as to the need for the Contingency Plans. They're nice, but when you're drawing few cards, they're often not useful!
-Boothberry90
@Daidoji Hikori Thanks for this - Shuichi, Oguri (Covert) does seem like a perfect fit h [continue reading]ere - For shame is great too to slip in... I need to think about what would make sense to cut though if I wanted to try that direction. Perhaps Vanguard Warrior needs to go for Uguri.
@Hiruma Koshisho Honestly had not even considered that card... hmmm interesting...
to make political easier to win you could go for covert(which also causes unoppposed loss so better yet) Shuichi could be good as well as oguri (or skirmisher)
If you do put oguri in or increase the courtier count f [continue reading]or shame could be an option as well. It can also become forced dishonor against bowed characters.
The same way as returning from shadows could be a way to create a sfe province in which to farm cards.
In place of levy you could play in defense of rokugan. Quite good against towers and lion.
finaly I would probably add another fire and oil
I am sure it is something that could maybe be improved - however it is possible to win - though it needs investment I'll map out some examples I have experienced,
Court Games + Fire and [continue reading]Oil + shameful display + miyako -- dishonoured status can really swing stats in match ups - plus Ornate Fan x3, WwW and E-Tessen all boost political - I tend to stack up 1 or 2 units, then focus on keeping them around with vanguard warriors, iron mines, reprieves etc.
I also tend to be very aggressive with Way of the Crab if it means it means I can push more pressure on POL wins with Way With Words out if I need too - The MIL in the this is strong enough on its own to not suck up cards/resources so you can lean a bit more bias into POL.
It's no secret that POL is expensive in Crab as is - so I didn't want a lot of expensive base POL burdening the deck when the battles can be won another way. The deck doesn't NEED Way with Words to trigger all the time to win - just the threat enough usually lends to players over extended on POL which leaves them open to some MIL blow outs - Nothing worse than being 2 provinces down against a crabby crab!
I'll hopefully get a few more games in over the weekend and I'll feedback if POL struggles (as you point out) - we can maybe brainstorm some nice tweaks to fill up some gaps! @SimpleShane
Will [continue reading] keep you updated after a few more games.
Phoenix (Win): This was my first match o [continue reading]f the day against a high glory phoenix deck and to be honest it was a bit of a blur. I first turned a Butcher with one fate along with a Shrewd Yasuki out of Shinsei's and Funeral Pyre so I low balled my hand bid out the gate and smashed an easy win air ring as I was first player. Most of the match was then spent with me smashing provinces and stalling out as I slowly drained honor away. A late game Butcher, two backhanded compliments, watch commander and the air ring pretty much won me the match on turn five. Never got my Hiruma Outpost Recalled Defenses combo off but I did get an outpost to drop on top of Shameful which was great for me. All in all it was a good match for me bad for the Phoenix
Crane(Loss): This is my titular match up against a good friend of mine and his kill Crane. I knew how to play against his deck for the most part and knew I could get his honor down which I did. First two turns were a lot of tit-for-tat but I did again first turn a butcher that broke Tsuma on uncontested air ring. He had a lot of big honor guys and by turn three broke my two eminent provinces. I got him down to four honor though and things were getting intense. Final turn he had one honor but was threatening my stronghold with Kuwanan and two Brash Samurai. I survived the first attack on my box but couldn't pull any backhandeds so was unable to finish him off and he finally broke through with Kuwanan after throwing my last defender (a butcher) off a bridge. Close but no cigar for me.
Crab(Win): This match was weird cus my opponent was using the all holdings This Is Stupid deck. Once I figured out what was going on I hard mulliganed every round for Intimidating Hida which I got second turn. After that I just poked an easy province for the air ring a lot and bled this poor Crab dry of honor. It was a match that took longer than it needed too but it was mine to lose. This was the easiest win of the day for me.
Standouts in this deck that day were Butcher of the Fallen, Shrewd Yasuki, Common Cause, Fight On and still oddly enough Hiruma Outpost. They showed up in all my matches and did good work for me. I like the economy advantage I get with Shinsei's Last Hope despite the cards being dishonored out the gate. Also I love how even against a Crane I was still able to aggressively drain honor away. The deck isn't bullet proof but it does what it wants to well which makes me happy.
Soooooo yeah that's all I got to say
-Boothberry90
-Boothberry90
Thanks for trying it out. Didn't had much time since I created it so I had only a few games with it yet. So changes are most likely to be done at some point. I mainly used Support because I also wanted to try out EtV as restricted. [continue reading] Without it one can cleary go to a regular Keeper role.
How did Wholeness work for you? I'm still a bit unsure about it. It's obviously aimed to keep the fire ring but how often did you manage to pull it off?
I did few changes. -1 Cycle of Rebirth, -1 Season of war, -1 Master Alchemist, +3 Raitsugu. I am affraid of scropion matchu [continue reading]p and attachment control decks (let go/mystics). I would like to try Keeper role with Defend your honor (-3 Embrance the Void)
Prodigy is still generically good with the fantana or while honored. Better than Fearsome because of CBFF
Storm is just 3+ late game to push the win through.
How has prodigy of the waves been performing? Thoughts on Fearsome Mystic in that slot? Thoughts on a tattooed wanderer to augment the prodigy of the waves?
How do you find supernatur [continue reading]al storm in this list? I imagine it goes to +3 frequently.
-Boothberry90
-Boothberry90