The reason is because I have already played extensively with Maiden in the deck and I found out that RNG, is not really for me. The advantages of having a 0-cost attachment that provides fate management far outweighs the ad [continue reading]vantages of the Maiden, simply because of the fact that, EtV will work exactly as you want it, 100% of the time, while Maiden has a very good chance of actually destroying you conflict deck, due to bad draw. Which actually happened to me, a lot.
So, I try to limit the RNG of the deck to the bare minimum instead of adding more to the equation.
Looks like a strong deck, thanks for posting. I'm sure it can be frustrating to play against but I don't really see anything nearly as NPE as Consumed by Fires + Embrace when you can do literally nothing about it due to Gisei Toshi (or Tadaka ). Of [continue reading] course that a pretty high bar of degeneracy.
I did a few iterations of the deck and took them out for one but put them back. really this deck only attacks if opponent has left themselves open or you see an opportunity to go for a pretty easy break. it tends to get into grindy games where yo [continue reading]u are 1 bidding for a while and just taxing their ability to put forth effective attacks. until eventually you draw into a way to take their last honor
Nice deck friend. Played with it once and had a great time. I like the above suggestions of keeper of earth/discourage pursuit so am going to try a build of that and see how it gets on.
Thanks ! The problem with Yojiro is that my characters have low glory (except for Shoju and Aramaro but I rarely dishonor them. They're here for being good Ambush targets), so Yojiro's main use is against the opponent. But most of the time, it's very [continue reading] stituational and I cannot pay 3 fate (and probably more on him) for a situational ability and just mediocre stats. :(
Keeper of Earth seems logical but I wanted to have the "seeker economy" to have lot of fates in early game and the earth role reduces the impact of Upholding Authority. I really want to try Discourage Pursuit, I will also test Peasant's Advice to avoid problematic provinces such as Restoration of Balance, Magistrate Station, Upholding...
Loyal Challenger is here for the Courtier trait and his goods stats. Losing 1 honor if you don't manage to blank him can be devastating sometimes... I like the art of Insolent Rival. I don't know if I would be able to give him his bonus, but I will try it :)
Congrats on your performance! I love this idea of using yojiro in KB to offset the drawback of your dishonored characters. Sad to hear it didn't work.
Would keeper of earth role make sense here? You'd have access to discouraged pursui [continue reading]t which could be the difference in breaking a province or not having to defend an attack/ murder with Aramoro while spies at court is good overall utility it doesn't seem to serve the goal of the deck.
Also was loyal challenger useful? I'm in preference of insolent rival myself lately but curious if he served his purpose.
Look forward to the revision of this deck! Good luck at your next event!
Because, and I cannot stress this enough, EVERY FATE COUNTS.
The Fine Katana / Ornate Fan is honestly mostly there to bait an Assassination down on a Doomed Shugenja or Prudent Challenger to stop an early Province break.
Ahh its awsome ! But tell me.. if your strategy is burn cards, why you dont play best province for this ? Upholding authority ? Its because many players negatw this effect with ambusher? Or why ? :) thank you
Not sure Shrine maiden is right as you're a bit low on spells for her to optimize. I'd look to swap her for something else like two of the New Uni character that gets cheaper when you have more Unicorn peeps in play and another Display.
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You're also not optimized for your Cav reserves with no 1 or 2 cost Cav characters to flush out a draw
1. with kuroi in the row, i have a better chance to swing in the tempo. i.e in crab match or scorp match where there is the likes of bayushi liar and/or hiruma skirmisher, i can potentially negate the attack as a whole, then if there is a something b [continue reading]eing charged or being played after the change, i have display or maze of illusion as a backup plan.
2. being answered just bcoz of mirror, i never used it anyway
3. yes, but we as phoenix doesnt have anything better for a 1 coster, shrine basically just a "Trigger" for feral ningyos
4. i actually never cast him during the tournament, i always play with weenies, going thru a turn with at least 4-7 fate at least
5. calling in favors is only bcoz im splashing scorp, the dishonor doesnt mean anything if u have control over the likes of reprieve, talismans, force of river, something that i can compensate for the effect that i can get over stealing opponent's attachment.
none taken, its just i have been playing this deck since forever, basically just added ujina since COTE, with the scorp splash i can win even with dishonor if i want to.
Im surprised to see Yoritomo... Do you generate enough fate to really get any use out of him? it seems like you are already running a lot of very large characters, would it not work better to cut him for some cheaper ones?
1)First why a water province instead of the much better Fire ones? Unless you want to keep under your Stronghold and even then, I'd argue you are better off with Kuroi Mori there and something like Meditati [continue reading]ons on the Tao out in the open.
2) What do you trigger off Secluded Shrine exactly? Prodigy of the Waves and Solemn Scholar are the only two cards that interact with it as far as I see.
3) You want to run Shrine Maiden but you 20 cards ( 50% of your deck) which aren't spells? This seems very sub optimal
4) How did Ujina perform? Is he just a value 4 cost? I always thought he would need a specific deck to shine in
5) Doesn't Calling in Favors dishonor pull you a lot back? You don't seem to have a lot of honor effects
To not sound rude - congratz on the victory! I'm just very puzzled about your deck building choices
Trima, it's been working out well, gotten 4-2 at the Paris Grand Kotei. Main targets are indeed Tsuko, Mitsuko and Brawler, but any 3 cost bushi or higher can work.
The longevity is a risk, but basically my plan is to put 2+ fate on my t [continue reading]ower target, discard my dynasty aggresively for the unique copies and to attack void often.
I took this into our EC yesterday, with one change being Tsuko for Mitsuko.
I ended up coming second; 4-1 in swiss then top 8 and losing in the finals.
The deck was amazing and the only loses I had were to the same Phoenix player [continue reading].
My inexperience impacted me here though as I wasn't sure how to approach the match ans also the two games felt really different. In the first it was all water blitz with ningo's and the dreamers and then in the second it was still blitzy but with ujina and Tadaka coming out to seal everything. In the end It's possible I could have played differently and yet I felt like it was trivial for the phoenix player to just get massive tempo.
Pretty happy that I did so well in my first tourney and would have liked to do a bit better into the phoenix match up.
Hello! Interesting conflict deck. How does Kamayari and Sashimono work for you? I guess Tsuko Mitsuko and Brawler are your main targets. I was afraid trying them out because Lion doesn't have a solid way keeping characters around for long. Do they pa [continue reading]y off the 2 fate even if they stay just one round?
With 3x3 5 drops I would suggest not going with midnight revels, more often than not you will have a 5 drop in play making it easy for you opponent to play around it. Maybe Along the river gold instead.
Also why no keeper iniates? They c [continue reading]an trigger off the monk stuff and are often free.
One, I don't need to be Ready to duel-bomb someone to death. Two, Hawk Tattoo gets my tower into the fights I need. Three, Water Ring is good for readying my Tower.
And I don't actually usually build one big tower. I build one moderate t [continue reading]ower, and duel-bomb. I don't need to win most of the duels, just survive long enough to eat their Honor.
Hey and thanks. I didn't realize that hth makes an infinite loop - and someone else cleared that up for me.
Also Tsuko vs Mitsuko. The cost reducer seems ok, and yet since most of the deck is 0/1, is your feeling that the extra +1P on [continue reading]Tsuko and the minor cost reducer is better than the potential sup. Tacs from Mitsuko?
I added the 3 Farseer, think that was just an oversight. No 6-drop was intentional because I wasn't thinking about the best way to use it, it dawned on my though that it would be a great early turn purchase and good charge target later if most provin [continue reading]ces are face up.
Hi there,
Thanks for the write up and I have a couple of language questions - because I don't understand the terms?
Maiden?
Also in one game you mentioned hand to hand let you clear two clouds, is the the second part -may- optional [continue reading]or does your opponent have to resolve it as well. Otherwise I'm not sure how you cleared them all?
Nothing too fancy or original to see here, but managed to take this deck to a top 8 finish in an EC which, for a player of my standard is a huge achievement. Shiba Yojimbo has actually proven her worth in the mirror match and I will have to try bumpi [continue reading]ng her up to 2 or even 3 copies. It has also been pointed out to me that Ancient Masters are great in place of a wandered, and upping the censures to 3.
I haven't played this deck in a month or so but removing initiates would be a reasonable move when expecting a lot of Phoenix. However, I'm more likely to change to a different ally in that case as initiate is an important component of the deck and I [continue reading] would want to find a conflict char to replace the power that they give.
This deck is not yet tested. It is based on my first Crab/Scorp deck at the beginning of core.
Not claiming it works but it should be fun if not a little bit tricky piloting.
Most junk/fun moment: The look on the opponents [continue reading] face when you blackmail a lone defender on the attack and manage the break mostly with your opponents stat especially if it wins you the game.
Some notes on card choices:
Clouds could be 2, Court games could be 3 as well as Miya Mystics, depending on meta and playstyle.
1x Tranquility - Shuts down the Emperor, Kitsu Spiritcallers, and Miya Mystics & Isawa Ujina who are not in the Conflict. I have had problems with each, and it is a useful tool that no one expects.
Regarding Finger of Jade and Cloud the [continue reading]Mind - I have gone back and forth on including 3x of each, due to how useful they can be. I have found that I only usually need 2x. The deck is VERY hungry when it comes to Fate, and its Conflict deck is very tight. Depending on the match up, Warm Welcome can also serve as a good way to fetch one of these out of the Discard pile if needed.
The reason is because I have already played extensively with Maiden in the deck and I found out that RNG, is not really for me. The advantages of having a 0-cost attachment that provides fate management far outweighs the ad [continue reading]vantages of the Maiden, simply because of the fact that, EtV will work exactly as you want it, 100% of the time, while Maiden has a very good chance of actually destroying you conflict deck, due to bad draw. Which actually happened to me, a lot.
So, I try to limit the RNG of the deck to the bare minimum instead of adding more to the equation.
Keeper of Earth seems logical but I wanted to have the "seeker economy" to have lot of fates in early game and the earth role reduces the impact of Upholding Authority. I really want to try Discourage Pursuit, I will also test Peasant's Advice to avoid problematic provinces such as Restoration of Balance, Magistrate Station, Upholding...
Loyal Challenger is here for the Courtier trait and his goods stats. Losing 1 honor if you don't manage to blank him can be devastating sometimes... I like the art of Insolent Rival. I don't know if I would be able to give him his bonus, but I will try it :)
Would keeper of earth role make sense here? You'd have access to discouraged pursui [continue reading]t which could be the difference in breaking a province or not having to defend an attack/ murder with Aramoro while spies at court is good overall utility it doesn't seem to serve the goal of the deck.
Also was loyal challenger useful? I'm in preference of insolent rival myself lately but curious if he served his purpose.
Look forward to the revision of this deck! Good luck at your next event!
The Fine Katana / Ornate Fan is honestly mostly there to bait an Assassination down on a Doomed Shugenja or Prudent Challenger to stop an early Province break.
[continue reading] You're also not optimized for your Cav reserves with no 1 or 2 cost Cav characters to flush out a draw
with the potential draw of the deck i think you could raise up to 41 conflict cards & add a 3rd daimyo's favor...
2. being answered just bcoz of mirror, i never used it anyway
3. yes, but we as phoenix doesnt have anything better for a 1 coster, shrine basically just a "Trigger" for feral ningyos
4. i actually never cast him during the tournament, i always play with weenies, going thru a turn with at least 4-7 fate at least
5. calling in favors is only bcoz im splashing scorp, the dishonor doesnt mean anything if u have control over the likes of reprieve, talismans, force of river, something that i can compensate for the effect that i can get over stealing opponent's attachment.
none taken, its just i have been playing this deck since forever, basically just added ujina since COTE, with the scorp splash i can win even with dishonor if i want to.
Secluded shrine isnt only for prodigy or scholar.
Gives an advantage to gain favor & negates Tadaka in mirror matches (big big value)....
1)First why a water province instead of the much better Fire ones? Unless you want to keep under your Stronghold and even then, I'd argue you are better off with Kuroi Mori there and something like Meditati [continue reading]ons on the Tao out in the open.
2) What do you trigger off Secluded Shrine exactly? Prodigy of the Waves and Solemn Scholar are the only two cards that interact with it as far as I see.
3) You want to run Shrine Maiden but you 20 cards ( 50% of your deck) which aren't spells? This seems very sub optimal
4) How did Ujina perform? Is he just a value 4 cost? I always thought he would need a specific deck to shine in
5) Doesn't Calling in Favors dishonor pull you a lot back? You don't seem to have a lot of honor effects
To not sound rude - congratz on the victory! I'm just very puzzled about your deck building choices
The longevity is a risk, but basically my plan is to put 2+ fate on my t [continue reading]ower target, discard my dynasty aggresively for the unique copies and to attack void often.
I ended up coming second; 4-1 in swiss then top 8 and losing in the finals.
The deck was amazing and the only loses I had were to the same Phoenix player [continue reading].
My inexperience impacted me here though as I wasn't sure how to approach the match ans also the two games felt really different. In the first it was all water blitz with ningo's and the dreamers and then in the second it was still blitzy but with ujina and Tadaka coming out to seal everything. In the end It's possible I could have played differently and yet I felt like it was trivial for the phoenix player to just get massive tempo.
Pretty happy that I did so well in my first tourney and would have liked to do a bit better into the phoenix match up.
Assassinate is good.
Why am I playing Keeper role?
Also why no keeper iniates? They c [continue reading]an trigger off the monk stuff and are often free.
And I don't actually usually build one big tower. I build one moderate t [continue reading]ower, and duel-bomb. I don't need to win most of the duels, just survive long enough to eat their Honor.
Also Tsuko vs Mitsuko. The cost reducer seems ok, and yet since most of the deck is 0/1, is your feeling that the extra +1P on [continue reading]Tsuko and the minor cost reducer is better than the potential sup. Tacs from Mitsuko?
Thanks :)
Thanks for the write up and I have a couple of language questions - because I don't understand the terms?
Maiden?
Also in one game you mentioned hand to hand let you clear two clouds, is the the second part -may- optional [continue reading]or does your opponent have to resolve it as well. Otherwise I'm not sure how you cleared them all?
Thanks
and well done!
Change it out for STD and I'll be appeased!
Not claiming it works but it should be fun if not a little bit tricky piloting.
Most junk/fun moment: The look on the opponents [continue reading] face when you blackmail a lone defender on the attack and manage the break mostly with your opponents stat especially if it wins you the game.
Some notes on card choices:
Clouds could be 2, Court games could be 3 as well as Miya Mystics, depending on meta and playstyle.
Regarding Finger of Jade and Cloud the [continue reading]Mind - I have gone back and forth on including 3x of each, due to how useful they can be. I have found that I only usually need 2x. The deck is VERY hungry when it comes to Fate, and its Conflict deck is very tight. Depending on the match up, Warm Welcome can also serve as a good way to fetch one of these out of the Discard pile if needed.